'Don't just sit there and wait to die': Billings police chief talks security with educators

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  1. fidlr
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    fidlr - April 17, 2013 10:13 am
    "a guy who is chief should at least know the elements of a red light violation." TKB appears to be the latest troll to invade these pages. Anyone with decent reading comprehension would know that Chief St. John was explaining that the MT legislature had changed the state law so that anyone who enters an intersection while the light was still YELLOW could legally proceed even though it turned RED while their vehicle was still in the intersection. That is why the BPD could not ticket them. It is that so difficult to understand. The cops do not make the laws they only enforce them. The legislature makes the laws. Period!

  2. TinaKB
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    TinaKB - April 17, 2013 8:15 am
    fidlr: I don't think any teachers are being forced to carry a gun nor do I think it is being rammed down their throats.Also, the statement that "The teachers themselves DO NOT want armed staff in their schools" is not correct. I know a few teachers and all of them support being allowed to carry in schools. I am sure there are some who do not support it. Why do you try to imply 100% do not want guns in schools? Truly, there is no good answer, or at least one good answer. As for the Chief, I appreciate his intentions, but do not think he has the expertise to teach this subject and hopefully professionals will teach it soon. Quite apparent that you do not support teachers carrying guns, and I respect your right to your opinion. However, do not try to make blanket statements that are not factual just because it reflects what YOU believe.

  3. TinaKB
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    TinaKB - April 17, 2013 8:08 am
    I should clarify. I am very pro police. It's good St John brings it up, but, a guy who is chief should at least know the elements of a red light violation. He clearly stated in the BG last week he does not know. Hoping they get some professional instruction on survival.
  4. fidlr
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    fidlr - April 17, 2013 2:51 am
    " Teachers are often military veterans." WRONG! That was true around 1950, but only 5% of Montanans are vets today and only a very few teachers among them. The teachers themselves DO NOT want armed staff in their schools. Why are some of you trying to stuff guns down their throats? The chief is providing a necessary service with the educators and as stated there will be additional sessions in the future.
  5. staceyronq
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    staceyronq - April 16, 2013 6:04 pm
    great job chief. at least you are bringing it to their attention.
  6. TinaKB
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    TinaKB - April 16, 2013 5:30 pm
    Maybe you need a reading comprehension course. Those schools in California are not so good,after all.
  7. TinaKB
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    TinaKB - April 16, 2013 5:28 pm
    The bad guys are already "equally prepared" and more. Also, most posters who try to convince people of how long they have;lived here, generally are from California.....
  8. billy banger
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    billy banger - April 16, 2013 4:33 pm
    An empty police car sitting in front of a schoold would mean there might be an armed officer inside and that might be enough to deter a shooter. I like the idea of tear gas or smoke thick enough to hide everyone that could be set off at the instant of a breach of a school.
  9. billy banger
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    billy banger - April 16, 2013 4:29 pm
    That were not in the building during the attacks.
  10. MTGirl01
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    MTGirl01 - April 16, 2013 2:45 pm
    "bug eyed crazy looking Stevie Wonder" ?????????
  11. Dave Bovee
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    Dave Bovee - April 16, 2013 2:13 pm
    Great advice, chief! When humans are seconds away from dying, everybody should just wait for our Flashbang Commandos to show up 15 or 20 minutes later. Do our schools still have just one main door unlocked and accessible from the outside during school hours, maybe another one that accesses the parking lot, with faculty or staff controlling that? There's no such thing as perfect security, of course, and students are certainly likely to open those doors to just about anybody, but securing the entrances and reinforcing the doors could go a big way towards the safety of everyone inside. Not an ideal world but when has it ever been?
  12. TwoCentsPlusOne
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    TwoCentsPlusOne - April 16, 2013 2:09 pm
    So true! Its easy to make life and death calls from an armchair, but IN REAL LIFE you only get ONE chance, and it better be the right one! People become teachers because they care about kids futures, not trying to end anyone's life.
  13. gramagrass
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    gramagrass - April 16, 2013 1:52 pm
    It’s a simplistic approach to think any school shooter would be deterred by the possibility that some teacher may be armed with a handgun. The shooters know they are armed 4X and much more proficient than any teacher thinking about their lesson plan for the day. The overall goal of the schoolroom shooter is to go out in a blaze of glory and it has already been intricately planned to the last detail. Their goal is not to go out and shoot a bunch of kids, make a sneaky escape and then find another school another day. And go out they will. The only real deterrence is to keep them out of the building.
  14. MT4th Generation
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    MT4th Generation - April 16, 2013 1:51 pm
    Well, once we are all armed for battle in the schools, on the streets, in our cars, and in our homes, maybe it won't seem as silly then. Because then not only are all the "good" guys armed to the hilt, but the "bad" guys will be equally prepared........do you forget the practical lessons of the Old West? Duels were in the streets with six-shooters. People had two guns precisely because out of 12 shots one may actually find its mark. How many of the newly armed will be so practiced at shooting that only their targets will be hit? I reiterate, "Are you people crazy?"
  15. fretwalker
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    fretwalker - April 16, 2013 12:53 pm
    Columbine--Red Lake--- Va. Tech and others had security guards.
  16. Rice Pudding
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    Rice Pudding - April 16, 2013 12:18 pm
    Funny stuff. You get this idea from Star Trek or something?
  17. End Daze
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    End Daze - April 16, 2013 11:23 am
    The point is, not to have the gunman come in the first place -- so you leave them uncertain as to whether there might be someone with a gun to shoot them. There is all kinds of evidence that has been compiled that proves this matters to would-be criminals. They do take it into consideration. I know it doesn't fit with the political agenda, but like I said, are we saving children or advancing the leftists political agends. I don't think we can do both. Also, how many children do you think a gunman could take out while waiting for the police???? Even the fastest responding police imagineable. The possibiity of citizens being armed and defending themselves exists every where to some extent. I wish I could say the cops ought to be able to sort that at some point, but maybe not the Billings police department.
  18. ne-mt
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    ne-mt - April 16, 2013 11:11 am
    If school administrators or teachers had firearms there would be no shooters come to the school. If you have not happened to notice the people doing the shooting pick places that have no firearms inside or security personal on hand. I guess places that people gather need to post on the door that this place is protected by certain people that have firearms.
  19. MT4th Generation
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    MT4th Generation - April 16, 2013 10:17 am
    "A round of guns for everyone!" [sic] Are you people crazy? The answer, tear gas. There should be an automatic delivery system as an armed intruder comes in the one, main entry at a school, as in the Newtown horror. For example, if the locked doors are shot out and then pieces from those doors fly into the school at a given rate of speed, a wall of tear gas is released a second or two later. Any person crossing that wall of tear gas would be rendered incapable for a prolonged period of time. School tragedy averted. No shots fired in either direction.
  20. TinaKB
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    TinaKB - April 16, 2013 10:09 am
    So true spazz!
  21. Redhill
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    Redhill - April 16, 2013 10:03 am
    Agree Abe, research has shown that it works better than a firearm when dealing with grizzle. A lot of sicken but alive kids!
  22. spazz65
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    spazz65 - April 16, 2013 9:40 am
    'gun-free' school zones, may as well put up a sign that says 'we don't shoot back'. people who shoot up schools full of kids are cowards. cowards don't go places that can be defended.
  23. TinaKB
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    TinaKB - April 16, 2013 9:21 am
    Based on all the major shootings, I don't think even St John would have trouble identifying a teacher from the shooter. 1) A shooter may well still be shooting (That would be your first clue Skinrash) 2) These cowards are either wearing trench coats, masks, or are so bug eyed crazy looking Stevie Wonder could tell they are the shooter. Lastly, trusting the advice of St. John who does not even know when a red light violation is or is not a red light violation telling teachers how to survive in a shooting situation scares the bejeebers out of me. There are professionals who come in and teach this stuff, the "A.L.I.C.E." program being one of them. There is no cost to the hosting agency. Would be a lot better than St. John puffing steam.
  24. gramagrass
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    gramagrass - April 16, 2013 8:35 am
    For someone who is suicidal ( and they all are), how does a "huge deterrent" impede them? Aren't they out to die anyway? How many they take with them is only secondary.
  25. Skinwalker
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    Skinwalker - April 16, 2013 8:29 am
    I am trying to figure out just how this would go down. There is a gunman shooting students in a school and SWAT walks up to everyone with a gun and asks: Are you the bad guy? They get the year book and look through it while a gunman is shooting first graders? If there is an active shooting taking place in a school, SWAT will take out anyone with a gun and ask question later. Remember, SWAT's responsibility is to take down the shooter BEFORE anything else.
  26. JumpingIn
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    JumpingIn - April 16, 2013 7:25 am
    Skinw...I would expect our SWAT team to exercise sound decision making and be well trained in shoot-don't shoot situations rather than just take everybody out with a gun.
  27. Abraham
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    Abraham - April 16, 2013 7:25 am
    Bear spray, an excellent idea.
  28. End Daze
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    End Daze - April 16, 2013 7:08 am
    "Don't get in the way" ?? "We own it." How macho. Are these the same guys who stormed an 8 year old girls' bedroom? So inspiring.
    I'm sorry, but having just the possibility of an armed presence in a school -- whether there really is or not -- just the possibility that someone might be, is such a huge deterrent, that I cannot believe for a moment that anyone who opposes that is remotely concerned about the lives of children. They are placing a political agenda ahead of the lives of our precious children. Teachers who don't have the will to be able to protect themselves and their charges shouldn't take on those charges. Schools should not be an arms- free zone. Those teachers who want to go through a training program and to have arms should be encouraged to do so. Teachers are often military veterans. Capable people. If no one actually did it, just knowing that somone might be prepared, would be a huge factor in adding protection. Why aren't you responsible for protecting yourself?
  29. Skinwalker
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    Skinwalker - April 16, 2013 6:45 am
    "First responders to a school shooting have the responsibility to take down the shooter before they do anything else, St. John said."

    For all of you gun nuts a question: If every teacher in a school shooting incident is armed, who is the shooter? I assume SWAT will just take out anyone with a gun. You guys really need to think the arming of teachers through.
  30. Old fashioned Billings girl
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    Old fashioned Billings girl - April 15, 2013 9:13 pm
    Thank you for addressing this...

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