STEVENSVILLE – At a gun show last week in Utah, a young man in his early 20s walked up to Darren Newsom to ask a question.

“He pulled the last $22 he had in his wallet and asked how many rounds he could get for that,” Newsom said. “He was literally taking the last few dollars he had in his pocket to buy ammunition.”

That touched a chord with this longtime ammunition manufacturer from the Bitterroot Valley.

For the second time in a row, the presidential election has sent ammunition manufacturers in the Bitterroot Valley into overdrive.

But the people buying ammunition this time around appear to be doing so for different reasons.

After the first election of President Barack Obama, Newsom said there was a lot of panic buying by people sure that laws were going to be passed that might make it difficult to obtain certain types of ammunition.

The mood was far different when he attended one of the largest gun shows in the nation in Tulsa recently.

“There’s not so much panic buying happening this time,” he said. “Mostly it was real serious gun owners preparing themselves for something they think might happen.”

“People seem to be scared out there,” Newsom said. “They seem to be scared there is going to be something like a civil war. They are preparing for something bad to happen.”

“In 2008, they thought their rights to buy ammunition might be taken away,” he said. “This time they seem to be buying in preparation for a revolution.”

Bitterroot Valley Ammunition and Components plant manager Misty Browning said she too has been hearing from people stocking up for some sort of doomsday scenario.

She said the Stevensville plant is three to four weeks out on delivering many calibers, except the popular .223 military-style caliber that most AR-style rifles use.

People ordering mass quantities of that caliber may have to wait four to five months for delivery.

That, despite the fact, that BVAC’s plant pumps out about 300,000 rounds four days a week.

“All of our machines are maxed out,” Browning said. “We’re in the process of looking at the layout of our building to see where we can add more. We’re pumping out everything we can. Every hole is pretty much filled.”

Newsom founded BVAC and later sold that business. In 2010, he started a new ammunition manufacturing operation called ACI that builds the raw materials used in the manufacturing process.

Newsom said all his production for 2013 is sold and he’s looking to expand.

There are three separate ammunition manufacturing businesses in the Bitterroot Valley. Newsom estimates that somewhere between 125 and 150 people are employed by them.

“There are a lot of different things being outsourced as well,” he said. “We always tried to keep everything local. It makes a difference to machine shops and other businesses in the valley.”

Newsom also imports a .45-caliber pistol from Philippines. He’s already sold out for 2013.

“It’s not just ammo,” he said. “It’s on the pistol side too. … Right now, we’re looking for an 18-month run. The only thing that will slow it down is a new law or the economy.”

Montana Shooting Sports Association president Gary Marbut has been tracking the number of people requesting a background check required for the purchase of a gun.

“Nationwide, over the last four years, every month has set a record for sales in that month,” Marbut said. “It just keeps going up and up.”

A couple of longtime national pistol manufacturers quit taking orders for months because they couldn’t keep up with the backlog, he said.

“We’ve never heard of that before in the firearms business,” Marbut said. “That wasn’t even connected to the election.”

Marbut believes uncertainty about the economy and political situation is driving sales of ammunition and firearms in this country.

“People are just anxious,” he said. “They hear the saber rattling and they have no idea how real it is. They want to make their lives as certain as they can in the face of all this apparent uncertainty.”

Newsom said people were listening in the presidential debates when the potential of a ban on assault weapons was mentioned.

“The president said some things in the second debate that really got people fired up,” Newsom said. “There are 180 million gun owners in the United States. Each one might own 10 guns. There are a lot of people out there who think if someone tries to take any of them, the government will have a revolution on their hands.

“I don’t see it myself, but it all comes back to that kid wanting to spend his last dollars on ammo,” he said. “It has people worried.”

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Dave Bovee
Dave Bovee

Delusional Walter Mittys. The government has the civilians outgunned and already have their guns in their hands. The entire armed civilian populations of this country's will never all rise up at once. The ones that due won't be trying to defend anything or anybody; they will be trying to rob and murder their neighbors. No so called survivalist trying to take down badges government employees or their neighbors are ever going to be able to go through more than 100 or 200 rounds before they get taken out. Do these people also buy bandit costumes or do they still go for Kmart camouflage?

Jamey
Jamey

I guess even the right wingers will agree that Obama is good for some parts of the economy.

SlackJaw
SlackJaw

I'm not one of these paranoid types buying ammo and watching for the black helicopters carrying Obama's secret UN army, but if you think a small group of lightly armed civilians can't resist the US government... you might want to take a look at Afghanistan.

RightDog
RightDog

During the Clinton administration, "gun confiscation" was studied and they estimated that somewhere between one half to one percent of the gun owners in America would resist. While that does not sound like much, given the numbers that would account for somewhere between 30,000 and 60,000 deaths day one. The thought that we could lose as many CITIZENS in ONE DAY as we did in the Vietnam War was deemed politically unacceptable.

true conservative
true conservative

Is it too much to ask that you provide a source for this claim?

pure life
pure life

Not impressed, Dave. You shriek and scream at us humans, but your petty, nameless cowardly remarks have no foundation on the real world. Keep on typing your stupid little insults; you are something else.

gunner39
gunner39

The defenders of the constitution (all former and current military) will stand up to a corrupt government that exceeds it's authority and defend their neighbors if roving bands of looters threaten them. Do not forget many former military are more than capable of engaging the enemy (government) if called upon. The current military does not necessarily support a war with the civilian population.

RightDog
RightDog

I think if you were to look at a wider sample of ammunition (and firearm) buyers you would see that people are buying ammunition (and weapons) not because they are stocking up for a “revolution” but are stocking up in preparation for some (new) act of gun or ammo legislation stupidity by B HO.

Given B HO’s history on being anti-Second Amendment it is hard to say if they are in the 7 ring or the x-ring. Fact is B HO has in the past supported the banning of military caliber ammunition and for imposing taxes that would prohibit the purchase of ammunition ... except for them evil 1%’ers.

Subsequently buying ammunition (and firearms) now may be a prudent investment ... unless what B HO and his merry band of anti-gun incompetents impose an outright ban with no “grandfather” clause.

Elections have consequences.

Riptide
Riptide

Of the three first comments we have basically two ad hom attacks (by Bovee and MW) making fun of people, calling names, etc. and one rational (RightDog) contribution. Someone actually trying to make a relevant point other than "Look at them thar nutjob righties".

RightDog
RightDog

Thanks.

Jamey
Jamey

Dog - before you get a big head, remember that a broken clock is right 2 times a day.

RightDog
RightDog

Thanks Jamey. Never quite been called a "clock" before. ;)

billy banger
billy banger

Same old delusions, you should realize the democrats have given up on any gun controll. We won with the supreme court and no democrat is going to take on a single issue like this that costs way more then it repays. Even after the shootings in Colorado nothing was done and nothing will be done in the future. Oh thanks for improving the economy, continue to panic buy we need the economic stimulus.

true conservative
true conservative

Acvcording to Factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/500-percent-ammo-tax/) there is no record of President Obama proposing such a tax as you allege nor (despite the false claims of the NRA) any record of him ever supporting such a tax. Perhaps rightdog can supply us with documentation of his allegation but until he does, I will note this is another case of the right trying to initiate hysteria. Since you said, rightdog "FACT IS" I am calling you out as being untruthful in your allegation.

Mother's Worry
Mother's Worry

If this kind of paranoia keeps up, we're going to have a viable replacement for the carnival-style freak show. All it'll take is another P.T. Barnum to figure out a way to exploit this red-state version of mental illness - and the best part is that he'll be one of their own! Then of course these are the same people who use a popgun caliber in a rifle and something suitable for small elephants in a pistol, so it shouldn't surprise anyone. Maybe it comes down to too much AM radio being a bad thing.

BillingsCapitolofNewOldWest
BillingsCapitolofNewOldWest

Free koolaid for racists

Oracle
Oracle

These manufactures owe the surge to talk radio oersonalities every bit as much as to the election. I wonder what the cost is to individuals. What will they do with the ammunition?

Regular Guy
Regular Guy

What a bunch of nut jobs. The biggest threats to our liberty were enacted by Bush and Cheney. Obama has been a conservative president, and has stabilized the country. If there ever was a "revolution" or a "doomsday" it would be due to a major natural disaster, and all the guns and ammo in the world won't protect you from the environmental contamination or the lack of food, clean water and medical care (or from the groups of marauders who will have more firepower than you) we're going to see if the "system" breaks down. The kid using his last dollars to buy ammo? How's he going to pay for more cigarettes, booze and tattoos?

RightDog
RightDog

“The biggest threats to our liberty were enacted by Bush and Cheney.”

Regarding our Second Amendment rights as they relate to this story, what “threats to our liberty” did the Bush administration enact?

true conservative
true conservative

What about your post above: "an executive order with no such provision like GHWB did with the importation of weapons with military features?"

RightDog
RightDog

What about it?

rimrockbear
rimrockbear

A few years back, those who felt President Obama was going impose regulations making it more difficult or expensive to purchase ammunition began purchasing in bulk. As a result, some types of ammunition were in short supply and a lot of folks like myself who had no political motivation for doing so bought extra ammunition as it became available. As a result, over time I have purchased thousands of rounds of 9mm and .223 ammunition that is stored away. This kind of behavior on my part contributed in a small way to the general scarcity of ammunition and the empty shelves at local gun outlets..

Fortunately, we are no longer in that situation. Ammunition seems to be in good supply and stores like Shiptons are stocked high..

Rancher59042
Rancher59042

who cares the reasons for buying lots of ammo, its legal, and you're exercising your Consitutional Rights, so grow up. also, maybe people are hoarding ammo so they can sell them to you when you need them for $5.00 each.

fidlr
fidlr

"maybe people are hoarding ammo so they can sell them to you when you need them for $5.00 each" Nope it will be just the opposite. Moderate and sensiblle gun collecters & enthusiasts will be able to buy both ammo and assault type firearms at estate sales and garage sales in a few years at dirt cheap prices. .When the earlier ban went into effect fools were grabbing up that Chinese SKS junk for $600. After the ban was lifted they had trouble selling them for a hundred bucks.

RightDog
RightDog

Actually that would depend on how a “ban” (if one at all) is written/structured. They would likely mimic the (failed) Clinton AWB and “grandfather” rifles/magazines but he could do an outright ban making it illegal to have such.

Weapons/magazines did spike in price during the (failed) Clinton AWB and they did drop after the sunset. But again it would depend on whether or not what B HO does would have a sunset. It could be an executive order with no such provision like GHWB did with the importation of weapons with military features.

smitti
smitti

Total paranoia.
If things get that bad these folks will only need one bullet.

Dave Bovee
Dave Bovee

That is petty and stupid, poo light. If you think I'm a coward why don't you come find me and tell me that face to face, nansie? If you have a human body, is it wearing department store camouflage and clutching a rifle? Somebody tried to compare our population to Afghans? Have you never looked around you at how we live?

pure life
pure life

Dave, what's up with this human body thing? Are you worried about aliens taking over the planet? Maybe you're not in human form? As for telling you face to face, well, I would be happy to. And no, I don't need camouflage or a rifle. Yes, I have looked around at how we live, maybe a few nut jobs who like to call people names and hurl insults, but pretty much just the same old stuff. This poo light from the planet earth saying "live long and prosper".

Riptide
Riptide

Lots of predictions about how a revolution will "never" happen and if it does it would go down like x because of y. Fact is nobody can predict the future. We aren't ready for a revolution right now. Not even close. But in 100 years or more? Maybe. Regardless it is anybody's guess at how it would happen, for what reasons, etc.. It appears some people know allll about the future though.

rainbowed
rainbowed

It is fun to watch the Obama haters helping the economy. Paranoia can be a good thing.

flowergal
flowergal

If you can't provide credible fact, engage in insult, right, libs? The UN is using the re-election of a fraud to ramp up the banning of Americans' 2nd Amendment Rights. They aren't being quiet about it, if you had the notion of serious search. BHO operates by Executive Order under the thumb of an Iranian female, Valerie Jarrett. You libs loved to yip about Rove and Bush while playing the Dem useful idiots.

Obama is pushing for civil disturbance; he's maneuvering with the New Order and neighboring countries. Media reports the purchase of MREs and firearms and ammo by DHS


rainbowed
rainbowed

I'm not so sure that world nut daily would be considered "media". They do a good service of stirring up the gullible, however. Obama gonna getchyer guns! BOOGITY! BOOGITY!

true conservative
true conservative

So where are your facts, flowergal. Please provide a source for your claims about the UN or expect many of us to laugh at your hyperbole and hysteria. Seriously you expect us to believe that Valerie Jarrett is controlling the President. Again, I ask for FACTS to support your slander. As for DHS it was established in 2002 by President Bush with the combination of "22 different federal departments and agencies into a unified, integrated cabinet agency (source: DHS website). Regarding "if you can't provide credible fact, engage in insult" that sounds exactly like your post including your description of Democrats as "useful idiots."

Laughter
Laughter

You need to look up the meaning of "hyperbole and hysteria and slander" True. It does NOT mean "disagree with opinion". I'm not a conspiracy theorist but you'd sound the smarter for it if you wouldn't just dismiss her out of hand and do some homework on your own instead of demanding everyone else do it for you. If you actually knew Obama you'd know the depth of influence Valerie Jarret ahs with him not only as his closest most trusted adviser, a close friend and go ahead and check out her ideology sometime and NOT her PR but what she believes.

Sarah Baracuda
Sarah Baracuda

Ok...you are not a conspiracy theorist, but yet you are giving some residual credence to your significant other, the "Soft" one, FLOWERGAL.


BTW, we do have confirmed sources that the GOP was trying to suppress the votes in Florida, in particular people of color. It is starting to unravel for your party.

JonDog
JonDog

Laughter - you state, "If you actually knew Obama you'd know the depth of influence Valerie Jarret ahs with him...." Do you know President Obama? Has he confided in you this depth? Please illuminate us. Valerie Jarret is a liberal. That is her ideology. President Obama is much more liberal than I am. He has made that pretty clear. I generally don't agree with liberals, but I can't find some sort of conspiracy behind everyone and everything I don't agree with. And I can't find any justification to manufacture it.

RightDog
RightDog

JonDog ... Try reading “Leading From Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors who Decide for Him” by Richard Miniter or Ed Klein’s “The Amateur”.

When you look into Jarrett’s bio, you will see that her title in B HO’s White House is a biz’ card full ... “Assistant to the President for Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs” and prior to working for B HO she was fired by Richard Daley for abusing public funds and then later managed a housing complex (with a salary package of $850,000) that was seized by the government for being a “slum”.

Laughter
Laughter

You've probably guessed by now, Flowergal, that True thinks the terms "hysteria and hyperbole" means "disagrees with True" as many as he accuses of having/using it.. Let 'em giggle and chortle Flowergal. I don't wear a "tin-foil" hat but I'm smart enough to research beyond the talking points and these fools will sleep better for their staying ignorant and not looking too close at what the U.N. and this administration is up too. Ohhhhh!!! slander slander!! LOLOL...Let them have their silliness...it'll bite their butts soon enough.

Demiurge
Demiurge

The Russians are coming, Laughter, Shouldn't you be in a bunker? Wait, they're already here? LOL!

Laughter
Laughter

They're already here and we don't need to run for the bunkers...they've been smart enough to use you and your kind as useful idiots to make their very successful entrance and all without firing a shot.

true conservative
true conservative

If laughter actually did the "research" she claims she could present that as an argument in support of her position instead of "you and your kind" attacks which show only prejudice and ignorance?

Demiurge
Demiurge

Speaking of exactly the people billy banger was referring to.....

lefty the cowboy
lefty the cowboy

The strategy used here by 'flowergrrrrl' is called 'projection'. This is where you take your own deeds and project them on your enemy. The right wingnuts spew nonsense they pass back and forth on radical web sites and hate radio, and they respond to critisism by pretending it it 'the other' using the tactics they themselves rely on.

RightDog
RightDog

IF you are contending she is "projecting", based on your definition can you share where the Republicans have done such?

I didn't think so.

JonDog
JonDog

True, Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran - but to American parents. Her father is a doctor and ran a childrens hospital in Iran. Her family left Iran when she was 5. Why tag her with some neferious label that fails to pass the laugh test? If you follow that line, John McCain is Panamanian because he was born in Panama to American parents.

RightDog
RightDog

McCain's father was in the US Navy which exempts him from "foreign born" status. Not so much with Jarrett.

billy banger
billy banger

The conspiracy crazies are out in force.

RightDog
RightDog

This is way too easy.

True Con stated, “ ...no record of President Obama PROPOSING (caps added) such a tax as you allege ...” and “Since you said, rightdog "FACT IS" I am calling you out as being untruthful in your allegation.”

I didn’t “allege” much less state that B HO “PROPOSED” any tax. I said quote, “Fact is B HO has in the past SUPPORTED (caps added) the banning of military caliber ammunition and for imposing taxes that would prohibit the purchase of ammunition ...”.

What FactCheck stated was correct if not obvious ... STATE Senators (especially those prone to just voting “Present”) do not “propose” FEDERAL tax laws.

While B HO did not “propose” any such Federal tax nor could he as a State Senator, he did say while running for the US House in 1999 that he “supported” such a tax. In his 13 December interview with the “Chicago Defender” he stated that he supported raising the Federal tax on firearms and ammunition “five hundred percent” along with closing “ninety percent of gun shops in America”.

So you still want to say I was being “untruthful” to blindly defend the anti-gun rhetoric of Barack Hussein Obama? Might want to take a remedial reading comprehension class before trying that.

Nothing but net and RightDog ain’t even trying hard.

true conservative
true conservative

You are still shooting at the wrong net. The article does not say that in an interview, Obama stated anything. As reported by FACTCHECK.ORG the Chicago Defender article says that Obama says that (allegedly) at an anti-gun rally. So your allegation about an interview that did not occur is another lie. Furthermore a five hundred percent raise in the ammunition tax would not by any means prohibit the purchase of ammunition except for someone earning $250,000 or more. Furthermore, you still have provided no evidence that Obama supported the banning of miliary calibur ammunition. Your statement was "the banning of military calibar ammunition and for imposing taxes that would prohibit the purchase of ammunition..." I guess you need to try hard RightDog!

RightDog
RightDog

True Con ... I will take that as a “NO” that you don’t want a vocabulary lesson on the difference between “proposed” and “supported”?

True Con stated, “The article does not say that in an interview, Obama stated anything.”

May I suggest you try doing some honest research and expand your reading materials beyond liberal coloring books?

“As reported by FACTCHECK.ORG the Chicago Defender article says that Obama says that (allegedly) at an anti-gun rally.”

Actually, he did both. At various rallies he repeated his “10 Point Plan” to step on our Second Amendment rights. But what if it was only at just one “rally” or just one interview? Fact is he said what he said in public. Are you going to call B HO a liar now?!?

“... another lie.”

What was the first?

“Furthermore a five hundred percent raise in the ammunition tax would not by any means prohibit the purchase of ammunition except for someone earning $250,000 or more.”

Dude, I was being facetious. Like when I said Ms. B HO looks like Patrick Ewing (OK, mostly facetious on that one). Sorry for placing that round high and over your head.

“... provided no evidence that Obama supported the banning of miliary (sic) calibur (sic) ammunition.”

Actually, it went beyond military calibers in that B HO supported legislation in IL that banned ammunition that could penetrate body armor with would include your trusty 30-30 Winchester. B HO also supported legislation (IL SB 1195) that would ban break open shotguns larger than a 28 bore. Needless to say, B HO is not a fan of NFA weapons (or accessories) and is against civilians having CCW permits. Mighty progressive of him.

Tissue?

RightDog
RightDog

Midol?

true conservative
true conservative

Baloney. You lied and now you claim you were only being facetious! Get over yourself rightdog and just admit you made a claim that you can't back up. Where were those various rallies that you claim? Give us supporting data because I don't buy that rightdog says it and it is true. Of course maybe you are just being facetious again. You said:
"In his 13 December interview with the “Chicago Defender” he stated" again I guess just being facetious!

RightDog
RightDog

True Con ... You don’t see the humor in an anti-gun anti-Second Amendment Keynesian slapping a tax on ammunition so that only the evil rich can afford ammo is not mocking, sarcastic, facetious or even “liberally” funny ... but it is a lie? Priceless.

SO you questioned that B HO did SUPPORT a tax of five hundred percent and were WRONG. Now you are whining about how many times he talked about his “10 Point Plan” to eliminate our Second Amendment rights? Really True Con? All along I thought that you would try to defend B HO’s anti-gun and anti-Second Amendment SUPPORT for legislation that would ban a $100,000 double barrel 20 bore.

You can’t handle the fact that B HO has an ant-gun and anti-Second Amendment rights background so you call me a “liar” for proving you wrong?!? Again ... priceless.

Aranphor
Aranphor

RipeDoggy believes lies are OK because he thinks he's above reproach. Heck, I wouldn't want to approach him either. Least downwind of him... ;)

motoboy
motoboy

Looks like Obama has been good for Montana businesses. That's not the way it's supposed to work under a socialist, is it?

Aranphor
Aranphor

God and Guns. Need I saw more. :)

RightDog
RightDog

Perhaps you should "saw" some more.

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